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 <title>Damn, Flickr</title>
 <link>http://www.chinawebmasters.org/story/something_funny_flickr#comment-1609</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;Having just written this... it seems no longer to be the case.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Flickr RSS feeds and 3rd party linking seem to be all over the place.  Not sure why.  An example:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Farm 3:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Open this link over a proxy:  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2269/1740247862_fa25059da6_o.jpg - it should open fine.  Now open this (replacing the farm3.static.flickr.com with an IP address for the server) http://69.147.90.158/2269/1740247862_fa25059da6_o.jpg - there will be an Access Denied error.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do the same without a proxy (inside China) and the page with farm3 in the URL should open fine, while the page with the IP address in the URL should not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Farm 1 and 2:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The same test.  Open this random picture I browsed with a proxy http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1032/596142984_770c57d3f4_m.jpg (should be toilet paper/mouse combo - how cute) now open it again using the IP address instead of the URL (http://69.147.123.56/1032/596142984_770c57d3f4_m.jpg) and the Access Denied error, as with Farm 3 above, will show up.  This was not the case until a week ago.  In this example exactly the same photo is being retrieved so user permissions should not come into the equation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again, do the same without a proxy (inside China).  The URL with Farm2 in it should result in a blank page, the link with the IP address in the URL should result in the Access Denied page.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Conclusion:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From trying to access the photos tested above via a URL using the server&#039;s IP address, for both Farm3 and Farm2, It is clear (as of this moment this evening) that Yahoo/Flickr have disabled access to their server content via URLs with an IP address and therefore prevented Chinese/Iranian Firewall circumvention measures that the Firefox &#039;Access Flickr&#039; plugin provides.  It is not clear whether Flickr meant this to happen, or if it is a side effect of other efforts they&#039;ve been making.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In China, the Farm3.static.flickr.com server seems to be unblocked, for now.  Little chance of accessing older photos (pre Farm3/pre October) without going 100% through a proxy, or using an overseas website to cache photos fed through RSS.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:02:53 -0700</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
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 <title>Not a dud</title>
 <link>http://www.chinawebmasters.org/story/whats_future_facebook_and_how_does_it_affect_your_website#comment-76</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely not a dud.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I think will happen:&lt;br /&gt;
1.  Facebook will &#039;pop&#039; (in a good way) - it will boost it&#039;s userbase hugely over the next few months.&lt;br /&gt;
2.  Other systems come along as competition.  I don&#039;t believe Facebook is yet at critical mass, but it may approach critical mass very soon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Competition is key.  Other sites have &#039;seen how&#039; to do social networks, and why some other attempts at social networks have failed.  Facebook developer buzz seems akin to the launch of Windows 95/98.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But applications are inherently limited by Facebook&#039;s in-not-out approach to data.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They&#039;re chasing one of the biggest prizes on the Internet - identity and networks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Facebook do bring a lot new to the web - things that would not have been published are now done so more and more easily.  If I published a blog on Facebook - that blog which might have once been public now becomes Facebook-only, while a non-Facebook blog is viewable on both - the non-Facebook blog (that also gets &#039;Facebook&#039;d&#039;) retains a higher audience.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the end, I believe audiences want the most seemless access to data that&#039;s possible.  If you had a Facebook-style list of friends in a browser pluggin that could be used on any site, in the same way as Facebook-only apps are now, they layer and abstraction is thinner, while the functionality is retained and enhanced.  People aren&#039;t going to abandon eBay, Amazon, G/Hotmail, etc, any time soon - they can be enhanced with Facebook, but not completely drawn in.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Contrast this with Facebook&#039;s current policy of suckling in data and applications.  If a competitor had the same functionality but &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; applications - essentially because they were truely open and an external website could work with Facebook data and everything else on the web, they would be a super-set of Facebook&#039;s existing potential (Facebook potential + existing web apps/crossover + future web app potential).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They&#039;re no dud.  &#039;Friending&#039; stuff in a user-friendly and trusting way is a killer app already.  But Facebook, or their similar-veined successor, will come under pressure to truly open.  It&#039;s a huge prize, there will be huge competition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the mean time, and mentioned in the last section above, I&#039;d recommend anyone with a website to embrace Facebook as much as they can, because there&#039;s no getting away from it, and it can actually help &#039;get content out there&#039; quite nicely.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:51:14 -0700</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
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 <title>I can&#039;t disagree any more.</title>
 <link>http://www.chinawebmasters.org/story/whats_future_facebook_and_how_does_it_affect_your_website#comment-75</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t disagree any more. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Facebook is one of the biggest new tools on the Internet, and you think it&#039;s a dud? Seriously?&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 05:22:51 -0700</pubDate>
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 <title>Blog awards</title>
 <link>http://www.chinawebmasters.org/story/china_blog_awards#comment-66</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;You got my vote....&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am generally not a fan of popular vote contests as they rarely represent the best quality in winners....Your category will be a case in point if the totals hold....&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good luck!!&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:13:22 -0700</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Lonnie</dc:creator>
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 <title>Great Post</title>
 <link>http://www.chinawebmasters.org/story/china_blog_awards#comment-52</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;Keep it up, was a decent read!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;@Rick, my original site is still on wordpress, going to be changed very very quickly to my new rails platform!  My new site, beilabs.com, although not a blog, does help keep track of my thoughts about tech and current projects I am working on is completely developed on ruby on rails.  Just thought I&#039;d point out how much spare time I have on my hands...&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:33:57 -0700</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Valehru</dc:creator>
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 <title>Re: What is a blog?</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;A blog is a website that runs wordpress.&lt;br /&gt;
And NOT drupal!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(just kidding...)&lt;br /&gt;
:)&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:47:54 -0700</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
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